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archangels ghosts and Bigfoot oh my it's

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just another night for Supernatural

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girls real stories real answers to

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life's biggest supernatural mysteries

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and now for another exciting interview

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with Errol experts in this world and

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others here's your host paranormal

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researcher Patricia Baker on the one the

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welcome everyone to another exciting

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episode of Supernatural girls radio

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I'm your host Patricia Baker I am here

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with my co-host all the way from Tucson

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Patricia Kirkman PK how you doing

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tonight fabulously wonderful absolutely

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charming with this 97 degree weather

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you're very warm over there I admit this

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hot stuff going on over here so I just

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want to mention everybody PK is a

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numerologist and if you need your

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numbers done this is the lady to see go

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to Patricia Kirkman comm and you can set

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up an appointment with Patricia when

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it's convenient for the two of you and

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I'm sure you'll be very enlightened by

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what she has to say is we have a lot

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going on in the world and unfortunately

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it's not pleasant so we're going to

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start with where we are as a collective

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with the numbers and then you also took

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a look at the perpetrators numbers so

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we're going to also talk a little bit

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about that tonight before we go to our

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paranormal segment and we also have a

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tremendous guest tonight we have do

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deborah Castellano who has written this

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really great book we enjoy it wasn't it

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a fun book this one I think we need to

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show people that you go find it it's a

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good buy more magic I love it I love it

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it's a great book we're gonna go through

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all this stuff it it's a fun book it's

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enlightening and there's lots and lots

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of rituals that we can all participate

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in to get what we want

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we're gonna be talking about all this

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food ever tonight not threatening on top

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of it

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non-threatening you could do all these

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things that make yourself feel good

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that's I'm all for it that's and we are

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glamorous ladies we're all set and ready

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to go yes so let's get to the numbers

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what in the world is going on well

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firstly we have to accept the fact that

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this month is a preview of next year

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to decide it's about relationships

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females partnerships of all sort being

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the peacemaker of the arbitrator helping

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others along their way that's what this

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coming year is all about but we're in a

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bridge between where we've been and

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where we're going which deals with all

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kinds of scattered communications and

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people are a little nervous and jerky

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about what's taking place especially

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after what just took place in Vegas yes

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it's so bad yes because you don't know

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what to expect anymore

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from any place and unfortunately I'm

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afraid that the numbers are going to

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climb before this is over with the

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individual Steven paddock I hope that

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God has a place for him but I'm gonna

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stop I'll let it stop right there

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but he has been in a five-year his

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he's been kind of bouncing around in so

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about being perfected but the day that

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he chose to do this was a day going on

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with deceit deception sneak attacks

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things that were the norm he is a

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perfectionist in his own way but yet a

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need to be a partner and he's been

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married twice he's in this other

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relationship and I think the lack of

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being in a partnership that could be a

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balance was something that preyed on him

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quite a bit but he was like bouncing

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around not knowing where he fits but his

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ability to do the things that he did are

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absolutely mind-boggling and I really am

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interested in finding out more about his

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anyone could live with the person have

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them collecting all of these things

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odd is most definitely so I think I'm

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sure they're looking into

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get some information on her but his

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he's a detail freak about things it had

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to be just right if it didn't fit into

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the spectrum of being just right it

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would set off buzzwords we found out

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that he has been taking medication and

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such as this did this lead to the

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expediting the situation that he was in

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sorry for the family members for his

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brother and the rest of the family

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through gelt of association and you

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can't blame others for what his issues

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were yeah it's it's I know it's hard for

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people to separate that out and it is a

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horrible tragedy that there are no words

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themselves at a concert a very peaceful

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gathering filled with joy and and then

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to have this happen so but again there

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are a lot of heroes that came out of

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this people who went above and beyond

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you know to help their fallen concert

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goers so yeah there's that never thought

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they had that in them step forward in a

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way to think I believe and one other

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thing about going back to to panic the

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ammunition that he used was the worst he

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that are still alive and that's why I

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say there's going to be a lot more

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deaths from this but the end result of

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the people's lives aren't marred forever

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because yes you did yeah this is not

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something that you just get over and our

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hearts and and prayers are with people

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who went through this who are still

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going through this just know that we as

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Supernatural girls send love and healing

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light to everybody involved in who has

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not been touched by this I mean we've

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got so many people here in Tucson that

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are been affected by it that have lost

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situation but I think the most important

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thing to pay attention to is the fact

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that we as a nation still come together

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and care and share it I call all our

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angels and guides in anything possible

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to come together and uplift and make

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this something special instead of the

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nightmare that it is exactly I mean it

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is a time to come together let's stop

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this divisive nough sover political

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that humanity has to triumph in these

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horrible situations but when I thank you

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for taking a look at that that

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insightful numerological expose of him

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talking before the show started he was a

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very intelligent person

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he was very detail-oriented and he was

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intelligent and Street extremely up

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there it's a fine line between going

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forwards or backwards fx4 yeah he fell

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off the line intelligence and insanity

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they're a little too close for comfort

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people who went through this and all of

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us watching on the sidelines but again

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our hearts and prayers go out to

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everybody and here it's supernatural

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girls we have been praying for everybody

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what in the world is going on there I

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what is happening so there's a an

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so on our supernatural girls Facebook

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page we have that article we have the

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UFO that showed up over our property

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that and we also have a picture of a

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a mother and child and in the background

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girl and some people were saying elicit

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to me this feels like a real apparition

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they just happen to capture this little

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girl at just the right moment and maybe

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she was intrigued by the picture that

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was being taken of the mother and child

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clear that this is a little girl's ghost

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so take a look at that that's that

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sign up for the fringe files for our

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newsletter so that you can be informed

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of everything going on if you want to

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ir n chat calm you can type out your

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so make sure you you go into the IR in

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chat comm area and you can have a

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conversation with us right there so

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again a lot going on with the paranormal

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woohoo you betcha that's for sure I have

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more also wild pictures to post that

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have showed up from our trail cams on

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the driveway so more pictures are

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showing up more orbs more beams of light

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more inexplicable things we don't know

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what the heck they are and these are

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coming from trail cams so I'm going to

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be posting more of those be sure to

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check back on our Facebook pages and you

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will see the rest of all we have

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explored here it's crazy stuff let me

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talk about the little foxy stuff but at

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five years he came to the front door the

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other day literally hitting him right

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came right up to the front door he is

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he's our new best friend because he gets

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rid of all the rodents all the mice the

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killer would you never get rid of enough

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of them they always you know find a way

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everything else so this fox has now made

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himself at home and I found out foxes

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are very territorial so he comes every

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day now every day but when I saw him at

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the front door I watched him use walking

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around the house and then he just he

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those are the photographs I took in

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posted he's absolutely beautiful and we

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hope you stay safe we know there's some

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hunters out and about but I would hope

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they'd stay away from him because he's a

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real special friend to us now so anyhow

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we always look twice before we take the

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dogs out though no snacks here kid well

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now look we gotta bring our guest on

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because she's very special and we're so

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glad to have her she's been very busy

281
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been hard to find the time to book her

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around the show because she's been

283
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traveling around doing a book tour and

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she's finally in one place and we got

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her to agree to come on the show so

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we're very honored to have her and that

287
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she's written this great book as you

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know glamour magic and so here is who

289
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she is she's very very special she's a

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writer crafter and glamour girl of

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course who serves as a frequent

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contributor to occult pagan media such

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as which Fox Pagan square and witches

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and again she lives in New Jersey and

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she's here with us tonight to talk about

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her new book glamour magic Deborah

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welcome to the show oh thank you so much

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for having me well it's my pleasure

299
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yes really now PK asked you a question

300
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we were off there but I think we should

301
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start with that question sure about I

302
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think it was about why have you got

303
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involved in glamor magic what was it

304
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sure that's that's a great starting

305
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point I had said that it's often quickly

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dismissed

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because I think most of the community

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thinks of it as a Hollywood special

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effect versus the subtle feminine magic

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and I think because of the superficial

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aspects that are associated with it that

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a lot of people are quick to be very

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dismissive of it and there's not a lot

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of information until I really started

315
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doing research about it now I know what

316
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you're talking about because I remember

317
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watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer one of

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my favorite all-time and they would talk

319
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about doing a glamour spell which meant

320
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that like thanks buddy see something

321
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that's not there is that what it was

322
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something more beautiful than what it

323
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really is is that what that but it's not

324
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really what glamour magic is is it no

325
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because if you actually look at the

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dictionary definition passed the false

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magic one which is definition one

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definition two is what makes you

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interesting and exciting to other people

330
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and I think there's a lot more to hang

331
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your head on with what makes you

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interesting and exciting and learning

333
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how to utilize that both magically and

334
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mundane ly then you know all of us

335
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trying to learn how to change the color

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of our hair just by you know doing some

337
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magic exactly exactly well then there's

338
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so much you know there's media at us all

339
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the time that we have to look a certain

340
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way we have to be a certain way and and

341
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so what's wonderful about your book is

342
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you're saying don't subscribe to that

343
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nonsense find out what's great about you

344
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so tell us a little bit more about that

345
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because that's all part of the glamor

346
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magic well I I've found interestingly

347
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enough when talking about this that a

348
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lot of people will say very quickly oh

349
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I'm not glamorous and I'm like yeah you

350
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are everyone can be glamorous that's the

351
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thing we think of very specific kinds of

352
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people we think of Marilyn Monroe we

353
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think about Jon Hamm who plays Don

354
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Draper on Mad Men you know we think

355
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about these very Hollywood

356
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very perfect kinds of people but in

357
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nowhere again in that definition does it

358
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say you must look like the media's

359
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representation of beauty beauty and

360
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glamour are two different things beauty

361
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is what you're born with beauty is about

362
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facial symmetry and cultural markers and

363
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things that you have nearly zero control

364
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over glamour is all what you're building

365
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and that's what makes it so interesting

366
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to me because who cares about things

367
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that are static I mean what can you do

368
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with those but you can do a lot with the

369
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things that are less static and more

370
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mutable and that's glamor magic and then

371
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but tell me - if you could what's the

372
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difference between charisma and glamour

373
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because you know you look at a lot of

374
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these people and actors act they have

375
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that x-factor that that charisma makes

376
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you want to watch them and not everybody

377
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has that so but what's the difference

378
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between that and glamor I mean I guess

379
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there's that they used to talk about

380
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charm a whole lot like in the 1950s and

381
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and how to be charming perfectly

382
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charming and which is interesting

383
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because again that's another word that

384
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has that magical connotation that goes

385
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with it

386
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well Chrisman charm are part of it let's

387
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say you're someone who's very shy who

388
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doesn't necessarily exude that it's

389
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learning how to take that shyness that's

390
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part of you and turn it into something

391
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that you can use as part of your glamor

392
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versus instead of it being a detriment

393
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that you can learn to shape it into

394
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something that is going to help you in

395
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your great work and when you talk about

396
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great work can you explain a little bit

397
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more about what you mean what does great

398
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work sure great work is technically in

399
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our chemical term but really what it

400
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means to me is what do you want more

401
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than anything and that's a taboo

402
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subject even in modern occult and

403
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witchcraft circles that were only

404
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supposed to want what the gods gave us

405
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and that's kind of a judeo-christian

406
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kind of idea to a certain extent and

407
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instead it's sort of taking that and

408
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saying this is what I really want and

409
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I'm going to be really upfront about it

410
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and I'm willing to do whatever my moral

411
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compass dictates is acceptable for me to

412
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do to obtain it you're saying no not

413
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like oh it would be nice if it happened

414
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you were saying no I need this to happen

415
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and there's a difference between the two

416
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and I think women especially are

417
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socialized to not go after those things

418
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and not to be so forceful about it and

419
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if we are then we're called names yeah

420
00:19:52,909 --> 00:19:49,529
it's very very not nice the silent era

421
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when the glamour was there was nothing

422
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to show except for expressions and

423
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gestures and facial expressions

424
00:20:04,940 --> 00:20:01,349
absolutely and you can tell a whole

425
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:04,950
story that way and not part of it too

426
00:20:10,609 --> 00:20:07,919
all of these little accuse that make up

427
00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:10,619
our daily interactions that we tend to

428
00:20:17,149 --> 00:20:15,210
sort of overlook mm-hmm I also what we

429
00:20:19,549 --> 00:20:17,159
really like if you can oh we're talking

430
00:20:22,009 --> 00:20:19,559
about is when you talk about fiercely

431
00:20:25,129 --> 00:20:22,019
yes I'm just going after what you want

432
00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:25,139
but fear seriously going out I love that

433
00:20:30,619 --> 00:20:27,929
don't you love that fiercely going after

434
00:20:32,810 --> 00:20:30,629
what you want you know with abandon it's

435
00:20:35,329 --> 00:20:32,820
like let's just go for it talk to us

436
00:20:38,419 --> 00:20:35,339
about that concept this is something new

437
00:20:42,339 --> 00:20:38,429
I I sort of talk about it as getting

438
00:20:46,820 --> 00:20:45,289
first place where you start to think

439
00:20:56,989 --> 00:20:46,830
you're not going to be the one who

440
00:20:58,340 --> 00:20:56,999
blinks first but yeah because we're

441
00:21:02,090 --> 00:20:58,350
taught we're sort of

442
00:21:04,539 --> 00:21:02,100
she lives to be nice girls and nice

443
00:21:07,220 --> 00:21:04,549
girls wait patiently and nice girls

444
00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:07,230
accept what is given to them it's that

445
00:21:13,159 --> 00:21:10,769
sort of I call it a princess mentality

446
00:21:15,980 --> 00:21:13,169
like you think about in fairy tales like

447
00:21:17,889 --> 00:21:15,990
that you would be lifted up to that that

448
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:17,899
you could one day you know go from

449
00:21:24,499 --> 00:21:20,970
spinning straw into gold to being you

450
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:24,509
know a princess or whatever but we also

451
00:21:30,289 --> 00:21:27,450
have the flip side of that where we are

452
00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:30,299
told if you dare to be a bad girl you

453
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will be struck down you will be taken

454
00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:37,529
down at all costs we see it again in the

455
00:21:45,310 --> 00:21:39,809
fairy tale narratives but we see it also

456
00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,320
in modern narratives if if you look at

457
00:21:50,269 --> 00:21:48,240
reality TV and things like that where

458
00:21:51,830 --> 00:21:50,279
it's very clear if you were willing to

459
00:21:57,590 --> 00:21:51,840
play the villainous you were going to

460
00:22:00,529 --> 00:21:57,600
get yours and so I'm I I propose that we

461
00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:00,539
take sort of the best of both of those

462
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:03,419
and and merge them within ourselves to

463
00:22:09,110 --> 00:22:06,690
to work with because you have to be a

464
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:09,120
little bad to get what you want not it

465
00:22:14,899 --> 00:22:11,850
and again a way that goes against your

466
00:22:17,529 --> 00:22:14,909
own personal moral compass but you have

467
00:22:21,649 --> 00:22:17,539
to be willing to do things that aren't

468
00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:21,659
typically considered what a feminine

469
00:22:29,499 --> 00:22:25,529
person is supposed to be doing and you

470
00:22:32,149 --> 00:22:29,509
know think about some of the women in

471
00:22:33,980 --> 00:22:32,159
the media who have very strong

472
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:33,990
personalities and the way they're

473
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:37,919
treated versus say a young ingenue you

474
00:22:47,419 --> 00:22:42,720
know and you you need to be able to take

475
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that you know not enos that badness

476
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:50,009
along with that that goodness that you

477
00:22:54,740 --> 00:22:52,919
know wanting to see this through and and

478
00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:54,750
put them together so that you can

479
00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:56,490
accomplish the things you're trying to

480
00:23:03,019 --> 00:22:59,940
accomplish I believe personally that

481
00:23:07,639 --> 00:23:03,029
everyone has a great work even if it's

482
00:23:10,340 --> 00:23:07,649
not something like artistic maybe it's

483
00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:10,350
you really want children maybe it's you

484
00:23:13,570 --> 00:23:12,150
really want marriage maybe it's you

485
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:13,580
really want to own your own company

486
00:23:23,330 --> 00:23:17,730
maybe it's all of these kinds of things

487
00:23:26,090 --> 00:23:23,340
that we can be kind of wishy-washy about

488
00:23:29,030 --> 00:23:26,100
in trying to accomplish instead of

489
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:29,040
really putting all our whole hearts or

490
00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:32,330
whole souls our whole brains into it and

491
00:23:37,910 --> 00:23:35,250
I think because on some level there's

492
00:23:40,130 --> 00:23:37,920
some fear of rejection if I give this

493
00:23:44,660 --> 00:23:40,140
everything I've got and I don't succeed

494
00:23:46,970 --> 00:23:44,670
then what and I think that then what

495
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:46,980
sometimes leads you on an even more

496
00:23:54,860 --> 00:23:50,610
exciting path because a lot of great

497
00:23:57,850 --> 00:23:54,870
stories come from like there's a musical

498
00:24:01,730 --> 00:23:57,860
group called the tiny and the main

499
00:24:04,100 --> 00:24:01,740
singer she used to be a professional

500
00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:04,110
figure skater and that's a very short

501
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:09,660
shelf life gone from that into a musical

502
00:24:14,570 --> 00:24:12,060
career to me is very exciting because

503
00:24:18,260 --> 00:24:14,580
you took all of that discipline all of

504
00:24:20,090 --> 00:24:18,270
that you know showmanship and then you

505
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:20,100
put it into something new something that

506
00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:22,530
you can sustain and I think that's

507
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:25,710
fantastic so I mean technically speaking

508
00:24:31,580 --> 00:24:29,010
when you age out I guess you failed as

509
00:24:33,620 --> 00:24:31,590
you know a professional athlete but not

510
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:33,630
necessarily that's when you get to go on

511
00:24:39,470 --> 00:24:35,820
to your next adventure and figuring out

512
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:39,480
what that is which is great and as you

513
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:41,280
said so many of us have been trained to

514
00:24:46,670 --> 00:24:43,770
be good girls to sit and wait but you

515
00:24:49,550 --> 00:24:46,680
have rituals in the book that help

516
00:24:52,490 --> 00:24:49,560
people get in touch with what their

517
00:24:54,020 --> 00:24:52,500
great work may be and to help them to

518
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:54,030
move beyond it so maybe you could take

519
00:24:58,580 --> 00:24:56,370
us through one of those one of those

520
00:24:58,940 --> 00:24:58,590
rituals that it's and they're so much

521
00:25:05,480 --> 00:24:58,950
fun

522
00:25:07,220 --> 00:25:05,490
rituals and that's again what we love

523
00:25:09,980 --> 00:25:07,230
about your book your book is a fun book

524
00:25:13,460 --> 00:25:09,990
but it's also a powerful book very

525
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:13,470
powerful so I definitely wanted it to be

526
00:25:23,260 --> 00:25:18,320
fun I mean there's a lot of really dry

527
00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:26,820
your life and your magical practice and

528
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:30,110
I'd love to say I'm that kind of scholar

529
00:25:39,340 --> 00:25:35,210
but I'm not you know I I engage in a lot

530
00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:39,350
of pop culture and media and I want that

531
00:25:44,740 --> 00:25:42,860
to be part of how we move forward but

532
00:25:46,750 --> 00:25:44,750
going back to the rituals one of the

533
00:25:48,370 --> 00:25:46,760
things that was very important as we

534
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:48,380
were talking about earlier before we

535
00:25:56,140 --> 00:25:53,930
went on air is that I often felt really

536
00:25:58,750 --> 00:25:56,150
constricted when reading magical books

537
00:26:02,400 --> 00:25:58,760
because it was very do this do this do

538
00:26:04,900 --> 00:26:02,410
this do this and then you get that and I

539
00:26:08,740 --> 00:26:04,910
didn't always find that to be the case

540
00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:08,750
for me and sometimes the things to be

541
00:26:15,310 --> 00:26:12,260
done were not things that really worked

542
00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:15,320
for me and I mean I'm all for stepping

543
00:26:22,060 --> 00:26:19,100
outside your comfort zone to get to know

544
00:26:23,860 --> 00:26:22,070
what you want to do you know and not

545
00:26:25,780 --> 00:26:23,870
just doing the same old same old life

546
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,790
you always cast a circle you should do

547
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:27,440
something different on occasion just to

548
00:26:31,060 --> 00:26:28,240
see what it does

549
00:26:34,780 --> 00:26:31,070
but I've already intentionally set

550
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:34,790
objectives versus like here's the format

551
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:36,980
like I gave sort of creative suggestions

552
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:39,170
of like hey maybe like when you're

553
00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:41,110
trying to find your personal great work

554
00:26:47,170 --> 00:26:43,940
go someplace that's safe

555
00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:47,180
but unfamiliar to you in the outdoors

556
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,130
because it's taking you out of your

557
00:26:54,910 --> 00:26:51,200
comfort zone right there and then you

558
00:26:57,100 --> 00:26:54,920
can start to really think on that and I

559
00:27:05,920 --> 00:26:57,110
talked about because I'm a terrible

560
00:27:07,870 --> 00:27:05,930
meditator I'm the worst the minute they

561
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:07,880
you know someone says that you have to

562
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:11,110
close your eyes I'm already punched out

563
00:27:20,110 --> 00:27:16,850
you know but I really encourage the

564
00:27:23,170 --> 00:27:20,120
reader to get past that boredom past

565
00:27:25,870 --> 00:27:23,180
that discomfort past all of that until

566
00:27:28,990 --> 00:27:25,880
you really leave knowing like in a

567
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:29,000
crystallized sentence or two what you

568
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:32,000
want to do and you know how you get

569
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:34,850
there is a later ritual but you need to

570
00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:35,290
know

571
00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:39,580
what your intention is and that's a very

572
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:41,380
important part to it you have to set

573
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:44,320
your intention and figure out what that

574
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:45,850
great work is because that's what I

575
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:47,710
found really interesting and talking to

576
00:27:53,550 --> 00:27:51,610
more people I'm I'm one of those weirdos

577
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:53,560
who knew what my great work was from

578
00:27:57,750 --> 00:27:55,360
like the time I was 8 years old I wanted

579
00:27:59,880 --> 00:27:57,760
to be an author that was my like great

580
00:28:03,660 --> 00:27:59,890
work that was what I always wanted to do

581
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:03,670
but even for instance my husband he

582
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:05,740
didn't know what he wanted to do like it

583
00:28:11,310 --> 00:28:08,530
took him a lot more exploration and I

584
00:28:14,460 --> 00:28:11,320
think this book can be powerful whatever

585
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:14,470
personality type you are whether it's

586
00:28:19,740 --> 00:28:16,510
you need more help at the beginning or

587
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:19,750
you need more help at the end it doesn't

588
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:21,520
matter how long it takes to get there

589
00:28:26,670 --> 00:28:24,330
you just have to eventually get there

590
00:28:31,740 --> 00:28:26,680
exactly and you bring up a good point

591
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:31,750
about having an intent having a focus

592
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:35,890
because the other thing my friends women

593
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:38,970
friends we tend to think and

594
00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:40,090
multi-levels

595
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:43,900
we tend to think and multitask

596
00:28:50,430 --> 00:28:46,750
so it's a just sit down and go okay I

597
00:28:53,010 --> 00:28:50,440
want this one thing it's just it's like

598
00:28:56,550 --> 00:28:53,020
it's against our religion ourselves it's

599
00:28:58,980 --> 00:28:56,560
really not that easy to do we want to

600
00:29:08,400 --> 00:28:58,990
add like 12 layers to the cake you know

601
00:29:10,410 --> 00:29:08,410
it's like that's it so so some of your

602
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:10,420
rituals are helpful in the place where

603
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:13,210
it it makes it more consolidated it

604
00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:16,210
helps us align to a specific purpose and

605
00:29:20,370 --> 00:29:18,760
stay on that purpose because that's part

606
00:29:23,610 --> 00:29:20,380
of the problem I think for a lot of us

607
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:23,620
as we get off track easily when you said

608
00:29:28,020 --> 00:29:26,170
you always wanted to be a writer was the

609
00:29:29,340 --> 00:29:28,030
topic what you've ended up being a

610
00:29:33,260 --> 00:29:29,350
writer on or were there other things

611
00:29:37,980 --> 00:29:33,270
that you thought no I had a very intense

612
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:37,990
novel at about Christina Columbus who

613
00:29:48,670 --> 00:29:40,510
was Christopher Columbus's unknown

614
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:48,680
sister it was a spiral notebook so

615
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:51,170
no I mean I've written so many things

616
00:29:56,350 --> 00:29:54,410
but one of the aspects I like about this

617
00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:56,360
is I get to talk about my personal

618
00:30:00,610 --> 00:29:58,340
experience and if we're talking like the

619
00:30:04,390 --> 00:30:00,620
breadth and width of my writing I've

620
00:30:10,090 --> 00:30:04,400
been blogging since C I think I was 23

621
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:10,100
so a while I really like that hey

622
00:30:15,070 --> 00:30:12,890
everybody I want you to just hang tight

623
00:30:17,290 --> 00:30:15,080
because we've got a lot to talk about a

624
00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:17,300
lot to learn about glamor magic tonight

625
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:19,880
with Deborah Castellano and her new book

626
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:22,010
glamor magic we are gonna take a short

627
00:30:26,500 --> 00:30:24,290
commercial break we'll be right back

628
00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:26,510
you're listening to Supernatural girls

629
00:30:30,910 --> 00:30:28,670
radio welcome back everyone to

630
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:30,920
supernatural girls radio I'm your host

631
00:30:37,870 --> 00:30:33,440
Patricia Baker I am here with my co-host

632
00:30:40,630 --> 00:30:37,880
Patricia Kirkman PK and our wonderful

633
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:40,640
guest tonight very special guest her

634
00:30:45,930 --> 00:30:43,490
name is Deborah Castellano and she is

635
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:45,940
the author of a beautiful book glamor

636
00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:55,250
magic there it is it is so enjoyed it

637
00:31:01,630 --> 00:30:57,350
got a lot of questions coming in from

638
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:01,640
the chat so we'll ask a few so Rogers

639
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:03,650
asking how long has never been

640
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:08,480
practicing witchcraft 20 years my home

641
00:31:14,890 --> 00:31:11,330
group so to speak in addition to the

642
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:14,900
work I do on my own are my Diana coven

643
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:20,860
and my druid Grove which is part of ATF

644
00:31:27,100 --> 00:31:24,890
okay and Brian the Gresham is asking

645
00:31:31,180 --> 00:31:27,110
where can we get her book again Amazon

646
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:31,190
right has it Amazon book stores yes your

647
00:31:36,580 --> 00:31:33,350
local bookstore will certainly order it

648
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:36,590
for you also Barnes and Noble and

649
00:31:41,230 --> 00:31:39,290
straight from him straight from

650
00:31:43,270 --> 00:31:41,240
Llewellyn okay

651
00:31:47,410 --> 00:31:43,280
there's different ways you can get the

652
00:31:50,020 --> 00:31:47,420
book here's another interesting question

653
00:31:54,850 --> 00:31:50,030
from Bluebird do you have to belong to a

654
00:31:58,060 --> 00:31:54,860
coven to be a real witch that's an

655
00:32:01,150 --> 00:31:58,070
awesome question um I know a lot of

656
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:01,160
solitary practitioners who have never

657
00:32:06,090 --> 00:32:02,830
belonged to a

658
00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:06,100
I I think that's between you and and

659
00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:10,660
your spirits you know and I think you

660
00:32:15,650 --> 00:32:12,940
can be just as real of a witch if you've

661
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:15,660
never joined a coven if you've never

662
00:32:22,789 --> 00:32:18,730
practiced any kind of black magic I mean

663
00:32:25,169 --> 00:32:22,799
it's it's all about the work you do

664
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:25,179
that's great so there's again there's

665
00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:28,450
all this such love enough freedom in in

666
00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:30,270
witchcraft from what I've found in

667
00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:32,169
practicing which is there's so many

668
00:32:36,210 --> 00:32:35,320
different ways to practice the craft so

669
00:32:40,649 --> 00:32:36,220
that's great

670
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:40,659
and now let's see is it fair to classify

671
00:32:48,180 --> 00:32:45,039
witchcraft as a cult that one question

672
00:32:52,740 --> 00:32:48,190
comes from Katy hi Katy

673
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:52,750
uh he wants to know is this a cult I

674
00:33:04,430 --> 00:32:56,370
mean technically Christianity's a cult

675
00:33:08,669 --> 00:33:04,440
down that rabbit hole that also sort of

676
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,679
it it's dependent on the fact that we

677
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:11,200
all have a unified belief structure

678
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:12,730
which we don't if you've got five

679
00:33:16,919 --> 00:33:14,230
witches in a room I can tell you you've

680
00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:16,929
got five different opinions on how to do

681
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:20,140
things I think they would have to be a

682
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:23,200
lot more unifying factors for it to be a

683
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:27,990
cult I think also there would have to be

684
00:33:37,289 --> 00:33:31,030
more of a group mindset that just does

685
00:33:40,049 --> 00:33:37,299
not certainly does no absolutely now

686
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:40,059
Kellyanne wants to know do you do any

687
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:44,080
private sessions like on skype yes yes

688
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:47,650
when you get my information feel free to

689
00:33:51,899 --> 00:33:49,090
reach out to me and we can talk about

690
00:33:55,980 --> 00:33:51,909
that and how can people get a hold of

691
00:34:01,169 --> 00:33:55,990
you the best way would probably be to

692
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:01,179
email me my email address is Debra de

693
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:09,720
Pio our aah at Deborah M Castellano comm

694
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:13,300
okay so that's how you can reach Deborah

695
00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:16,330
Kelly Ann and see if you want to set up

696
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:19,240
a private session and what are you doing

697
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:20,710
your private sessions do you instruct

698
00:34:25,140 --> 00:34:22,660
people and how to use glamor magic in

699
00:34:27,810 --> 00:34:25,150
their lives it depends on what they're

700
00:34:30,540 --> 00:34:27,820
looking for I do do some divination

701
00:34:34,260 --> 00:34:30,550
generally through Tarot I sometimes will

702
00:34:36,630 --> 00:34:34,270
make magical Goods for people to use in

703
00:34:41,010 --> 00:34:36,640
their practice I definitely do that as

704
00:34:42,870 --> 00:34:41,020
part of my my personal business I can

705
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:42,880
make a lot of different kinds of ritual

706
00:34:48,180 --> 00:34:46,450
oils that I sell also we could talk

707
00:34:51,890 --> 00:34:48,190
about instructing and things like that

708
00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:51,900
or help with specific problems and

709
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:54,070
figure out where we're gonna go with

710
00:35:02,940 --> 00:34:59,680
that that's wonderful excellent now I

711
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:02,950
wasn't I was just going to ask how her

712
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:05,730
husband feels about what she does oh

713
00:35:17,790 --> 00:35:11,170
he's one too so that was the question I

714
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:17,800
tried to commit through the back door we

715
00:35:23,310 --> 00:35:19,810
both were when we met and if anything

716
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:23,320
the only issue is is there's always he's

717
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:26,050
got guy friends who were also occultist

718
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,870
and they're like that's so cool your

719
00:35:35,150 --> 00:35:30,400
wife knows what you're doing it's like

720
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:43,070
really knows what I'm doing it

721
00:35:48,750 --> 00:35:46,110
that's cute oh and here's another

722
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:48,760
question that's an interesting one from

723
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:50,770
Brian in the chatroom how do you get

724
00:35:56,790 --> 00:35:53,290
past all the negative stereotypes at the

725
00:36:00,030 --> 00:35:56,800
word which evokes I mean that's a really

726
00:36:03,780 --> 00:36:00,040
good question part of it strangely

727
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:03,790
enough is to step into all of it

728
00:36:07,830 --> 00:36:06,010
do you know what I mean like you step

729
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:07,840
into the glenda the goodwitch and you

730
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:10,720
also step into the the Wicked Witch of

731
00:36:16,830 --> 00:36:13,810
the West or more modernly and wicked

732
00:36:18,900 --> 00:36:16,840
you've got Elfie and Glenda you know and

733
00:36:21,660 --> 00:36:18,910
you have to accept that sometimes people

734
00:36:24,450 --> 00:36:21,670
are going to see you like Linda the Good

735
00:36:27,330 --> 00:36:24,460
Witch who's just here for love and light

736
00:36:29,340 --> 00:36:27,340
and you know to to you know practice

737
00:36:30,150 --> 00:36:29,350
positive things only and other people

738
00:36:34,190 --> 00:36:30,160
are going to thank you

739
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:34,200
tearing around us on your broomstick and

740
00:36:39,210 --> 00:36:36,910
the best thing you can do is just to let

741
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:39,220
people get to know you because when they

742
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:40,770
see you as a person

743
00:36:47,849 --> 00:36:44,650
they can step past that identity as

744
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:47,859
being the only fun to you they can see

745
00:36:53,910 --> 00:36:51,010
that you're not just that one thing and

746
00:36:56,220 --> 00:36:53,920
I think in certain ways the same could

747
00:36:58,260 --> 00:36:56,230
be said about like if you were gay if

748
00:37:00,289 --> 00:36:58,270
you were a feminist if you were like

749
00:37:03,539 --> 00:37:00,299
lots of things that have very specific

750
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:03,549
connotations the only way people are

751
00:37:07,740 --> 00:37:05,170
going to see that you're more than that

752
00:37:11,069 --> 00:37:07,750
is seeing how you actually apply it to

753
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:11,079
your life exactly that's a great answer

754
00:37:18,510 --> 00:37:15,670
yes definitely yes here's a question

755
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:18,520
from velvet velvet wants to know how do

756
00:37:27,450 --> 00:37:24,160
you see the goddess and god I personally

757
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:27,460
see the goddess and God as the goddess

758
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:30,700
and God but I also see many goddesses

759
00:37:38,789 --> 00:37:35,200
and many gods and I don't necessarily

760
00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:38,799
believe they all go back to one source

761
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:42,910
as some kind of Pokemon sort of

762
00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:45,160
situation where they're all part of the

763
00:37:51,299 --> 00:37:49,420
same thing I also think when you're

764
00:37:55,380 --> 00:37:51,309
dealing with deities like for instance

765
00:38:00,180 --> 00:37:55,390
the more again it's that's an office

766
00:38:03,029 --> 00:38:00,190
it's not one specific deity

767
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:03,039
it's whoever your local what a Morgan

768
00:38:09,390 --> 00:38:05,049
would be you know that was the way that

769
00:38:12,329 --> 00:38:09,400
that particular the intimidation worked

770
00:38:16,859 --> 00:38:12,339
so I think there's a lot of room for

771
00:38:19,859 --> 00:38:16,869
that I I personally see the gods and

772
00:38:22,130 --> 00:38:19,869
goddesses as you know beings that are

773
00:38:24,779 --> 00:38:22,140
much bigger than us that tend to look

774
00:38:27,539 --> 00:38:24,789
they see more of the chessboard than we

775
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:27,549
do you know and they're making moves we

776
00:38:35,970 --> 00:38:31,900
can't fathom yet and it's not always for

777
00:38:37,950 --> 00:38:35,980
good it's not always for bad and I don't

778
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:37,960
know that it's always this mysterious

779
00:38:43,170 --> 00:38:41,170
there's a plan per se but everyone's

780
00:38:46,410 --> 00:38:43,180
making moves and

781
00:38:49,740 --> 00:38:46,420
moves have consequences you know mm-hmm

782
00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:49,750
yeah yeah that's I love that the way you

783
00:38:54,270 --> 00:38:51,540
just described that about the chessboard

784
00:38:55,980 --> 00:38:54,280
here is a question from stormtrooper

785
00:39:00,809 --> 00:38:55,990
would like to know how can I find a

786
00:39:02,849 --> 00:39:00,819
reliable teacher okay here's what I'm

787
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:02,859
going to tell you to do first before you

788
00:39:10,140 --> 00:39:07,170
do anything what's not their actual life

789
00:39:12,319 --> 00:39:10,150
are they leading a life that is

790
00:39:14,730 --> 00:39:12,329
something that you feel you would like

791
00:39:16,890 --> 00:39:14,740
to emulate this is something like wow

792
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:16,900
I'd sure like that in five years ten

793
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:24,609
years or is it like oh my god what well

794
00:39:29,849 --> 00:39:26,230
they seem to have their life pretty

795
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:29,859
together they seem to be making about as

796
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:32,290
much money as I would like to be making

797
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:34,270
because that's a factor if you want help

798
00:39:38,790 --> 00:39:36,849
in all these things let's say you really

799
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:38,800
want help with like your your money

800
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,890
magic stuff and they're not super into

801
00:39:48,990 --> 00:39:43,599
money they're only going to be able to

802
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:49,000
do so much for you on that one yeah so I

803
00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:50,890
mean like if you want help in love and

804
00:39:54,180 --> 00:39:52,660
they've been divorced four times you

805
00:39:57,780 --> 00:39:54,190
know and I'm kind of bitter about it

806
00:40:01,410 --> 00:39:57,790
maybe not the best like you know now

807
00:40:03,299 --> 00:40:01,420
this teacher nope nope and I mean really

808
00:40:05,789 --> 00:40:03,309
look at how long have they been

809
00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:05,799
practicing what do they do in their

810
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:08,140
community what is their reputation like

811
00:40:14,970 --> 00:40:12,520
in the local community it's not in my

812
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:14,980
opinion a bad thing if they are

813
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,990
potentially charging because everyone's

814
00:40:22,410 --> 00:40:19,680
time in my opinion is worth something

815
00:40:25,319 --> 00:40:22,420
but is it something you can afford to

816
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:25,329
pay is it something that seems

817
00:40:30,299 --> 00:40:27,970
reasonable a reasonable exchange it

818
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:30,309
should still be a reasonable exchange if

819
00:40:35,579 --> 00:40:33,010
you feel that let's say for instance

820
00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:35,589
they ask you for like fifty bucks a

821
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:37,390
lesson and you feel like that is a

822
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:41,500
reasonable number thing go with it I

823
00:40:47,490 --> 00:40:43,750
would also say you know check out your

824
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:47,500
local scene see who the elders are some

825
00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:52,210
of my closest mentors don't officially

826
00:40:56,110 --> 00:40:55,240
teach they would recoil at being like

827
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:56,120
consider

828
00:41:01,930 --> 00:40:58,850
official teachers but they like to do

829
00:41:04,890 --> 00:41:01,940
more of a scale trade and and share

830
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:04,900
their their knowledge that way and

831
00:41:10,660 --> 00:41:08,110
that's valuable to you know make run

832
00:41:12,850 --> 00:41:10,670
borrowing anything else make friends you

833
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:12,860
know make friends who are leaving large

834
00:41:22,750 --> 00:41:16,610
that you feel in line with and learn

835
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:22,760
from them to that is good yes katie is

836
00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:25,250
asking that she noticed you have a saint

837
00:41:31,710 --> 00:41:27,560
sitting on the shelf behind you who was

838
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:31,720
that she's not mine he's my husband

839
00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:36,230
okay that's uh that seems Cyprian that

840
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:39,520
is my husband's favorite is st. I

841
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:43,280
personally am a Mary Magdalene girl but

842
00:41:49,230 --> 00:41:46,250
st. Cyprian is very popular with the

843
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:49,240
boys and the occult spheres right now

844
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:51,920
the female equivalent in case you're

845
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:55,220
curious if st. just testing she did a

846
00:42:00,460 --> 00:41:57,290
lot of work that's similar to what st.

847
00:42:02,980 --> 00:42:00,470
Cyprian did hmm tell us a little more

848
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:02,990
about st. justine what did st. justine

849
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:06,130
do they both were considered

850
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:12,440
necromancer's really Wow crazy stories

851
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:14,960
about Saints in the Catholic Church like

852
00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:17,690
Saint Chris Christopher was considered

853
00:42:23,020 --> 00:42:19,880
to have like a dog head like an actual

854
00:42:28,630 --> 00:42:23,030
dog head there's a saint

855
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:28,640
Oh in my house we call him Saint doggy

856
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:31,970
I'm gonna fur we call him Saint doggy

857
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,490
because he was an actual doggy in the

858
00:42:40,050 --> 00:42:37,520
Middle Ages and the church when they

859
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:40,060
came to go verify all of his

860
00:42:45,370 --> 00:42:42,890
accomplishments thought he was a person

861
00:42:47,770 --> 00:42:45,380
and then they were like no no no no no

862
00:42:55,330 --> 00:42:47,780
he's a dog but he did a lot of really

863
00:42:58,750 --> 00:42:55,340
cool things you know and Wow - it's not

864
00:43:01,660 --> 00:42:58,760
that yeah yeah like but they still they

865
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:01,670
never let go of him in France you know

866
00:43:09,339 --> 00:43:06,050
they just they were always lucky Wow is

867
00:43:12,549 --> 00:43:09,349
smell similar to the dog

868
00:43:14,229 --> 00:43:12,559
gods in Egypt I mean that sounds like it

869
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:14,239
rings a bell there there's definitely

870
00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:16,569
been arguments that there's been

871
00:43:23,769 --> 00:43:20,150
crossovers like between that between I

872
00:43:25,150 --> 00:43:23,779
believe it's Dionysus Shiva and then I

873
00:43:27,940 --> 00:43:25,160
want to say someone else whose name's

874
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:27,950
escaping me but there were points where

875
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,650
scholars followers even potentially the

876
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:33,680
gods themselves cross paths and we're

877
00:43:37,660 --> 00:43:35,930
like oh hey you're similar to me I'm

878
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:37,670
similar to you that's cool what do you

879
00:43:44,499 --> 00:43:41,660
do this is what I do you're at a

880
00:43:49,539 --> 00:43:44,509
crossroad place you get a little bit of

881
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,549
all of that together interesting now if

882
00:43:54,339 --> 00:43:51,680
someone's also asking about your

883
00:43:56,620 --> 00:43:54,349
beautiful necklace they want to know

884
00:43:59,529 --> 00:43:56,630
what type of jewelry are you wearing

885
00:44:02,380 --> 00:43:59,539
since so gorgeous then what is that they

886
00:44:05,380 --> 00:44:02,390
want to know I'll get a little closer so

887
00:44:12,130 --> 00:44:05,390
you can see it oh no you can't but it's

888
00:44:15,099 --> 00:44:12,140
it's a large piece of amethyst part of

889
00:44:18,370 --> 00:44:15,109
like I said I do have a business where I

890
00:44:22,059 --> 00:44:18,380
sell my rituals etc and that shows

891
00:44:24,759 --> 00:44:22,069
usually on the road so at one of the

892
00:44:27,549 --> 00:44:24,769
shows I was doing there was a girl doing

893
00:44:29,769 --> 00:44:27,559
wire wrap jewels and she just really

894
00:44:32,499 --> 00:44:29,779
loved candles at the time I sold candles

895
00:44:35,319 --> 00:44:32,509
as well and we just swapped she swapped

896
00:44:37,779 --> 00:44:35,329
me candles for for this and it's one of

897
00:44:41,849 --> 00:44:37,789
my favorite pieces and it's very

898
00:44:44,349 --> 00:44:41,859
meaningful to me because of you know my

899
00:44:49,299 --> 00:44:44,359
Diana group because amethyst is our

900
00:44:52,779 --> 00:44:49,309
stone thank you obviously everybody's

901
00:44:55,059 --> 00:44:52,789
noticing it tonight that's wonderful you

902
00:44:57,370 --> 00:44:55,069
know and you mentioned in your book you

903
00:45:00,269 --> 00:44:57,380
you have these little historical notes

904
00:45:04,930 --> 00:45:00,279
that you've shared with us and they are

905
00:45:05,769 --> 00:45:04,940
fascinating do you have a favorite from

906
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:05,779
history

907
00:45:13,059 --> 00:45:09,680
i I do I'm always torn it depends on the

908
00:45:17,259 --> 00:45:13,069
day of the week I would say right now my

909
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:17,269
favorite is an of Cleves who's not in

910
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:20,569
the book but she is a wife of Henry the

911
00:45:24,170 --> 00:45:21,480
eighth

912
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:24,180
and the reason I like her is because to

913
00:45:33,620 --> 00:45:26,850
me out of all the wives she won the game

914
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:33,630
and I say that because so she is married

915
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:36,330
off to Henry during a time where he's

916
00:45:41,870 --> 00:45:38,609
already kind of gotten rid of a couple

917
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:41,880
wives so there's a famous story about a

918
00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:45,240
countess and uh Italy that he proposes

919
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:47,369
to and she said if I had two necks I'd

920
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:50,330
be happy to but I only have one so now

921
00:45:59,900 --> 00:45:57,300
which isn't it's pretty hardcore for

922
00:46:03,020 --> 00:45:59,910
like you know dealing with a monarch to

923
00:46:06,770 --> 00:46:03,030
be like that that's right to be so flip

924
00:46:08,270 --> 00:46:06,780
yeah yeah yeah but anne of cleves sort

925
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:08,280
of knew a little bit what she was

926
00:46:14,359 --> 00:46:10,470
walking into and she was part of a

927
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:14,369
Protestant nation a dramatic one and

928
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,170
that was very important at the time

929
00:46:21,290 --> 00:46:18,240
because you know that was still all

930
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,300
getting off the ground and she gets

931
00:46:28,220 --> 00:46:23,520
there and the first thing and this is on

932
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:28,230
record he says is I like her not and it

933
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:30,900
depends on who account whose account it

934
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,570
is whether she was pretty but just

935
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:35,400
pretty in a different way than he was

936
00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:38,010
used to like a larger busted you know

937
00:46:43,460 --> 00:46:40,550
more of a lump shoe s kind of girl

938
00:46:45,650 --> 00:46:43,470
like she was very diligent to learn to

939
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:45,660
do the things he liked to do like gamble

940
00:46:52,190 --> 00:46:47,250
and play cards and all that kind of

941
00:46:55,490 --> 00:46:52,200
stuff but when it came down to it he

942
00:46:58,220 --> 00:46:55,500
wanted to marry someone else because he

943
00:47:09,020 --> 00:46:58,230
could not perform with her for whatever

944
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:09,030
reason my so he says okay okay okay

945
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:12,330
we're not gonna get Germany basically

946
00:47:17,740 --> 00:47:13,530
all up in arms

947
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:17,750
um how about I'll say you're my sister

948
00:47:24,109 --> 00:47:19,980
and you get everything that comes with

949
00:47:27,140 --> 00:47:24,119
that you get huge palaces a huge

950
00:47:28,340 --> 00:47:27,150
allowance and basically you can do

951
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:28,350
whatever you want to do when you want to

952
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:31,050
do it and she didn't fight him like I

953
00:47:33,980 --> 00:47:32,730
think she saw the writing on the wall I

954
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:33,990
was like

955
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:35,820
that sounds way better than being

956
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:37,800
married to you because you're kind of a

957
00:47:50,359 --> 00:47:46,170
pain I don't want to be shorter like

958
00:47:51,770 --> 00:47:50,369
your other wives yeah yeah so I'm gonna

959
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,780
do that because I'm tired of dudes

960
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,520
telling me what to do because my brother

961
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:55,619
was busy doing that back in Germany and

962
00:47:59,750 --> 00:47:57,450
out you're busy doing that and now no

963
00:48:02,270 --> 00:47:59,760
one want to marry me but that's not

964
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:02,280
necessarily a bad thing here and I don't

965
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:03,930
need to join a convent

966
00:48:08,930 --> 00:48:07,560
so yeah I'm hideous I'm no nope nope no

967
00:48:17,810 --> 00:48:08,940
wonder why you can't afford you know

968
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:17,820
perform with me who could right Wow

969
00:48:22,670 --> 00:48:20,490
know what she was doing yeah I think she

970
00:48:27,290 --> 00:48:22,680
did a bit and she would come to court

971
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:27,300
and she I believe outlive just about all

972
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:28,130
of them

973
00:48:34,940 --> 00:48:31,260
amazing yeah it's the winner in my

974
00:48:37,340 --> 00:48:34,950
opinion so she's I think she was that's

975
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:37,350
a great story well and again there's so

976
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:39,650
many women in these very difficult

977
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:41,730
situations throughout history that you

978
00:48:46,849 --> 00:48:44,130
reference in the book it was it was so

979
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:46,859
fascinating to read these things and see

980
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:50,130
how they fared you know how they how

981
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:51,690
they handled themselves how they use

982
00:48:58,340 --> 00:48:55,230
glamor magic to basically get themselves

983
00:49:01,609 --> 00:48:58,350
through it's it's great stuff mm-hmm

984
00:49:03,770 --> 00:49:01,619
to me to me it's so powerful because if

985
00:49:06,109 --> 00:49:03,780
they could do the things that they did

986
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,119
when they weren't even supposed to be

987
00:49:10,690 --> 00:49:07,920
considered people when they weren't

988
00:49:14,030 --> 00:49:10,700
always educated or beautiful or

989
00:49:16,250 --> 00:49:14,040
well-connected or sometimes had fallen

990
00:49:19,310 --> 00:49:16,260
out of favor but still could make

991
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:19,320
progress what can't we do with an iPhone

992
00:49:27,830 --> 00:49:25,200
yeah yeah right well that's just an

993
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:27,840
amazing story again one of many in this

994
00:49:32,510 --> 00:49:30,570
great book glimmer magic by Deborah

995
00:49:36,020 --> 00:49:32,520
Castellano again which you can purchase

996
00:49:38,359 --> 00:49:36,030
on Amazon or Barnes in Barnes and Noble

997
00:49:41,420 --> 00:49:38,369
in bookstores directly from Llewellyn

998
00:49:43,550 --> 00:49:41,430
also it's a great book and there again

999
00:49:46,940 --> 00:49:43,560
I'm impressed with the amount of history

1000
00:49:50,220 --> 00:49:46,950
that you have pulled into this it's

1001
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:50,230
fascinating pique it is it's mind

1002
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:52,060
boggling the more you read the more you

1003
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:54,250
want to dig into other aspects of it I

1004
00:49:59,760 --> 00:49:56,260
was curious now

1005
00:50:01,140 --> 00:49:59,770
the your husband's involved with being a

1006
00:50:04,410 --> 00:50:01,150
witch you're involved with being a witch

1007
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:04,420
how did the male-female cross over to

1008
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:14,650
make it this yeah we love to talk shop

1009
00:50:21,390 --> 00:50:17,050
together we read some of the same books

1010
00:50:24,450 --> 00:50:21,400
together but outside of pooja practice

1011
00:50:27,540 --> 00:50:24,460
which is like an offering practice to

1012
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:27,550
Hindu deities and that's a very basic

1013
00:50:32,580 --> 00:50:29,440
thing that doesn't require any

1014
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:32,590
initiation any anything so it's pretty

1015
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:37,330
open to the world so to speak we just do

1016
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:39,130
such different things that we don't

1017
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:41,770
often work together because it always

1018
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:48,190
feels like a Model UN meeting and but

1019
00:50:52,890 --> 00:50:51,010
it's just nice being with someone who

1020
00:50:54,270 --> 00:50:52,900
knows what you're doing what you're

1021
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:54,280
trying to accomplish how you're trying

1022
00:50:58,800 --> 00:50:56,290
to get there who may have ideas of what

1023
00:51:01,020 --> 00:50:58,810
would work for you because they know

1024
00:51:03,830 --> 00:51:01,030
you're practice you know and vice versa

1025
00:51:06,450 --> 00:51:03,840
and that makes it a lot of fun

1026
00:51:09,210 --> 00:51:06,460
what does he do at an everyday basis

1027
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:09,220
he's a massage therapist and he's going

1028
00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:12,940
to school to become a nurse right now

1029
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:15,730
it's a very competitive program and he's

1030
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:17,530
doing that on top that's really it's

1031
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:20,200
right now it's actually basic that's

1032
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:24,570
great take care of body and soul yes

1033
00:51:30,450 --> 00:51:28,060
nice it's funny because we have another

1034
00:51:33,300 --> 00:51:30,460
question on the heels of what pk just

1035
00:51:34,770 --> 00:51:33,310
asked from tall white who's saying do

1036
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:34,780
you do this full-time or do you have a

1037
00:51:40,170 --> 00:51:37,450
regular nine-to-five job I have a

1038
00:51:44,220 --> 00:51:40,180
regular nine-to-five because we both

1039
00:51:48,180 --> 00:51:44,230
really like having health care these

1040
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:48,190
days that's important isn't it yeah I

1041
00:51:54,090 --> 00:51:51,610
work for a small accounting firm so it's

1042
00:51:56,700 --> 00:51:54,100
about its opposite to this as you can

1043
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:56,710
possibly imagine then they they know

1044
00:52:01,210 --> 00:51:58,010
what I do

1045
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,220
you know the broad-strokes they know I

1046
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:04,160
have a book out I was actually writing

1047
00:52:08,500 --> 00:52:07,250
this book last tax season and oh my

1048
00:52:10,030 --> 00:52:08,510
goodness it was one of the hardest

1049
00:52:12,849 --> 00:52:10,040
things I've ever done because you're

1050
00:52:14,770 --> 00:52:12,859
working such crazy hours definitely and

1051
00:52:16,660 --> 00:52:14,780
then you go home you'd work some more

1052
00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:16,670
you go to bed you do it again and it was

1053
00:52:22,270 --> 00:52:18,950
like this very chop wood carry water

1054
00:52:25,210 --> 00:52:22,280
kind of time in my life yeah Wow those

1055
00:52:30,789 --> 00:52:25,220
must have been so intense they really

1056
00:52:36,190 --> 00:52:30,799
rise in your best interest at this time

1057
00:52:38,319 --> 00:52:36,200
yeah that's great well we're gonna take

1058
00:52:40,030 --> 00:52:38,329
another short commercial break but also

1059
00:52:42,250 --> 00:52:40,040
I just want to mention again everybody

1060
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,260
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1061
00:52:47,349 --> 00:52:44,839
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1062
00:52:51,069 --> 00:52:47,359
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1063
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:51,079
ghost photograph and read about the

1064
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:53,750
vampire shapeshifters in Malawi be glad

1065
00:52:55,930 --> 00:52:55,490
they're not here my god they sound

1066
00:52:59,020 --> 00:52:55,940
horrible

1067
00:53:00,880 --> 00:52:59,030
so anyways they can keep them there in

1068
00:53:03,339 --> 00:53:00,890
that country thank you very much

1069
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:03,349
and take a take a read through all of

1070
00:53:06,819 --> 00:53:05,119
the things that we have on that page

1071
00:53:09,490 --> 00:53:06,829
we're always posting new paranormal

1072
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:09,500
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1073
00:53:13,660 --> 00:53:10,970
stuff that we're finding in our own

1074
00:53:16,089 --> 00:53:13,670
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1075
00:53:19,150 --> 00:53:16,099
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1076
00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:19,160
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sign up there for the Fringe files so we

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are gonna take a short break again and

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you are listening to supernatural

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supernatural girls radio we will be

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right back welcome back everyone to

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supernatural girls radio I'm your host

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00:53:44,140 --> 00:53:40,270
Patricia Baker I am here with my co-host

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Patricia Kirkman PK and our wonderful

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00:53:50,289 --> 00:53:46,819
guest Deborah Castellanos the author of

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00:53:53,319 --> 00:53:50,299
a great book highly recommended fabulous

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00:53:57,579 --> 00:53:53,329
history fabulous rituals how to use

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00:53:57,970 --> 00:53:57,589
glamor magic where's Lee Webber that's

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right

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00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,780
seriously get what you want we also we

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00:54:04,030 --> 00:54:01,280
want to do we want to get what we want

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00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:04,040
oh god yes nothing this already okay we

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got a give me one now we want to talk

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about Saint expedite right you two here

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00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:12,120
you sometimes a little reluctant

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00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:13,770
but we want to know more about him

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because it sounds like we want him on

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our side so tell us about him

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00:54:25,580 --> 00:54:22,500
sure I'm seeing expedite probably comes

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00:54:27,950 --> 00:54:25,590
from New Orleans there's an urban tale I

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00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:27,960
don't know how true it is that he

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00:54:39,140 --> 00:54:31,410
arrived in a box marked expedite and

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00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:39,150
they started calling him saying he can't

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00:54:44,780 --> 00:54:41,400
be a little finicky like he does not

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00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:44,790
want to be friends with me or my husband

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00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:48,090
particularly and it's not malicious I

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00:54:53,420 --> 00:54:51,050
think he just really needs to like you

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00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:53,430
so the best way to start any

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00:54:57,290 --> 00:54:55,710
relationship is with offerings because

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like when you go to someone's house you

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00:55:01,520 --> 00:54:59,910
bring a cake a bottle of wine as some

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00:55:03,530 --> 00:55:01,530
things to be like oh hey thanks for

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inviting me over

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00:55:07,850 --> 00:55:05,940
so you would want to offer

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00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:07,860
he really likes rum he really likes

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00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:10,890
pound cake so he seems like he'd be my

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00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:14,370
pal but he's not into it into it and

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then like when you say that he's not

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into it he just doesn't show obviously

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you don't get formation there's no

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indication whatsoever that our offerings

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were received

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they weren't spurned but they weren't

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like usually the signals we would get

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00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:37,110
that the conversation is opening didn't

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happen so I think it was more like call

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blocking you know what I mean so

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00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:50,520
definitely don't start by asking for a

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00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:52,530
bunch of stuff to begin with because I

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00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:55,410
mean we just gave him you know a cake

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00:56:00,050 --> 00:55:57,450
and rum and he still didn't want to talk

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to us so I wouldn't bring your Santa

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00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:02,550
list yet you know I mean I would try to

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00:56:08,420 --> 00:56:05,250
make some offerings and then usually you

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00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:08,430
ask for some kind of omen that he has

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00:56:13,130 --> 00:56:11,010
received them or he is interested

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00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:13,140
sometimes they'll show up and dream

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00:56:18,290 --> 00:56:15,180
sometimes you can tell from a song

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00:56:20,810 --> 00:56:18,300
there's all kinds of ways keep making

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00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:20,820
offerings maybe three times to see what

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00:56:24,610 --> 00:56:23,190
happens if you don't get anything he's

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00:56:27,340 --> 00:56:24,620
not that into you if

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00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:27,350
get something then you know start the

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00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,170
relationship find out what else sees in

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00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:32,960
to find out like if he has a specific

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00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:36,530
prayer if he has a visual candle I bet

1149
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:41,540
he does probably through the potential

1150
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:44,450
Botanica in the Bronx I believe it

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00:56:49,210 --> 00:56:46,130
probably and they do mail order and

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00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:49,220
stuff would likely have a candle for him

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00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:53,510
and you know then ask for something

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00:56:58,930 --> 00:56:56,030
small you know and and see if he's into

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00:57:01,840 --> 00:56:58,940
it and you know ask for a few small

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00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:01,850
things and you know again keep giving in

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00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:04,390
return keep opening yourself up to

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having a relationship together and then

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00:57:11,170 --> 00:57:09,260
you know once you start to get a little

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00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:11,180
comfy or cozier that's when you can

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00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:13,760
start asking for more things and one of

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00:57:22,990 --> 00:57:15,530
the things he's known for is for

1163
00:57:25,810 --> 00:57:23,000
granting things in a hurry so maybe

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00:57:27,820 --> 00:57:25,820
that's why he's a little cheesy if he's

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00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:27,830
known to be sort of the FedEx of the

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00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:42,670
right now wearing his bronze so so where

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00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:44,780
so where does he come from you said New

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00:57:51,580 --> 00:57:49,250
Orleans is his his home yes although I

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00:57:54,430 --> 00:57:51,590
believe if I'm remembering the lore

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00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:54,440
correctly he was a Roman soldier in his

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00:57:59,620 --> 00:57:57,920
life okay so you know definitely do a

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00:58:03,150 --> 00:57:59,630
little research get to know him a little

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00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:03,160
bit see if he's your kind of guy and

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00:58:10,510 --> 00:58:06,050
you'll find out if you're his kind of

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00:58:13,060 --> 00:58:10,520
person mm that is so great I love that

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00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:13,070
are we gonna try this out PK right you

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00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:15,890
can adjust that with me okay I have a

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00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:20,090
question would you try to ride them with

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00:58:28,930 --> 00:58:25,520
the goodies and they do come to you how

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00:58:34,660 --> 00:58:28,940
into you can they be or do you with are

1181
00:58:37,890 --> 00:58:34,670
you with them um yeah totally it really

1182
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:37,900
depends sometimes you know it's a core

1183
00:58:42,539 --> 00:58:39,970
Joel relationship I mean the best way

1184
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:42,549
that I can describe it is just like in

1185
00:58:48,089 --> 00:58:45,430
real life you know how us magic it's

1186
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:48,099
very serious stuff yeah that's not like

1187
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:50,770
I'm mad at my boyfriend tonight things

1188
00:58:55,829 --> 00:58:54,010
you know when you're really seriously

1189
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,839
intending to do something that's where

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00:58:59,250 --> 00:58:57,520
you make vows that's where you leave

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00:59:03,510 --> 00:58:59,260
offerings sometimes for like your

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00:59:05,250 --> 00:59:03,520
ancestors yeah that's when you're kind

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00:59:07,980 --> 00:59:05,260
of showing them hey I'm really serious

1194
00:59:11,279 --> 00:59:07,990
about this what would you consider a

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00:59:13,710 --> 00:59:11,289
good offering for your ancestors this

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00:59:17,519 --> 00:59:13,720
time of year apples are great just

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00:59:20,700 --> 00:59:17,529
because of the seasonal Association but

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00:59:22,170 --> 00:59:20,710
also it's very animal friendly so that's

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00:59:23,819 --> 00:59:22,180
nice too because when you leave

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00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:23,829
something it's nice that you know you're

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00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:25,990
not going to accidentally kill any

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00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:30,240
wildlife and it's got a lot of just good

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00:59:35,010 --> 00:59:32,890
connotations along with like All Souls

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00:59:38,730 --> 00:59:35,020
Day and stuff like that's new that's a

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00:59:42,569 --> 00:59:38,740
very inexpensive and eco-friendly thing

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00:59:44,940 --> 00:59:42,579
to do mm-hmm and with All Souls All

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00:59:47,849 --> 00:59:44,950
Saints Day is coming up what do you have

1208
00:59:49,529 --> 00:59:47,859
a specific ritual that you go through at

1209
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:49,539
that time of year is 10 years I

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00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:52,960
sometimes attend a grove of the my my

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01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:58,150
groves ritual sometimes I I generally

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01:00:04,740 --> 01:00:01,500
that actually marks the death of an

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01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:04,750
recent ancestor I was very very close to

1214
01:00:12,269 --> 01:00:08,400
so I usually do something to mark that

1215
01:00:14,130 --> 01:00:12,279
and I do little silly things to like my

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01:00:28,289 --> 01:00:14,140
best friend and I always watch the craft

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01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:28,299
you know we are my markers Oh neat it's

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01:00:32,579 --> 01:00:30,010
wonderful and I think this is what

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01:00:34,529 --> 01:00:32,589
you've also embraced in your book is is

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01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:34,539
the joy and the humor and all of this

1221
01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:38,049
too that you know it's it's all one and

1222
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:39,880
and that's what makes your book so much

1223
01:00:44,940 --> 01:00:43,089
fun to read and again so informative I

1224
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:44,950
mean this historical stuff really piqued

1225
01:00:50,820 --> 01:00:47,200
my interest all of these women

1226
01:00:53,100 --> 01:00:50,830
I mean Joan of Arc and know Mike

1227
01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:53,110
on an on you went about all of these

1228
01:00:56,940 --> 01:00:55,000
women and what what they've done you

1229
01:00:58,880 --> 01:00:56,950
know who has come before us and very

1230
01:01:01,650 --> 01:00:58,890
trying times

1231
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:01,660
absolutely oh gosh but you've done a

1232
01:01:08,610 --> 01:01:04,810
great job with this book about your

1233
01:01:13,290 --> 01:01:08,620
website again its charm its charmed

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01:01:14,970 --> 01:01:13,300
finishing school dot-com okay good we

1235
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:14,980
want everybody to be able to go

1236
01:01:20,850 --> 01:01:18,310
definitely funny to be able to buy your

1237
01:01:22,290 --> 01:01:20,860
wonderful book we're gonna be doing

1238
01:01:24,630 --> 01:01:22,300
these rituals we're gonna try to get a

1239
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:24,640
hold of the st. expedite we're going to

1240
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:28,030
be great Oh letting you know if we can

1241
01:01:33,540 --> 01:01:31,090
get everybody this beautiful book

1242
01:01:36,690 --> 01:01:33,550
written by Deborah Castellano glamour

1243
01:01:39,900 --> 01:01:36,700
magic the witchcraft revolution to get

1244
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:39,910
what you want that's what it's all about

1245
01:01:44,220 --> 01:01:43,090
so again this has been a wonderful

1246
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:44,230
evening

1247
01:01:50,100 --> 01:01:47,440
oh gosh yes huh I haven't read myself so

1248
01:01:52,530 --> 01:01:50,110
much thank you so much for having me it

1249
01:01:59,400 --> 01:01:52,540
was fun you have to hurry up invite

1250
01:02:01,680 --> 01:01:59,410
another book so you can come back great

1251
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,690
work and so we know you're not just a

1252
01:02:08,460 --> 01:02:03,520
one-trick pony here we know you've got

1253
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:08,470
rights we can all enjoy your next book

1254
01:02:14,730 --> 01:02:11,650
equally and this has been just great fun

1255
01:02:16,260 --> 01:02:14,740
and thank you so very very much for

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01:02:18,810 --> 01:02:16,270
joining us tonight

1257
01:02:21,180 --> 01:02:18,820
so everybody we'll be back again next

1258
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:21,190
week we've got Nick Redfern we're gonna

1259
01:02:25,290 --> 01:02:23,050
be talking about all the spooky stuff

1260
01:02:28,290 --> 01:02:25,300
because it is spooky October on

1261
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:28,300
supernatural girls we have cryptids

1262
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:30,370
we've got black-eyed kids we've got

1263
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:33,760
ghost stories for you Nick has it all so

1264
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:36,130
he's gonna come scare the pants off us

1265
01:02:43,310 --> 01:02:38,410
next week we just can't wait right peak

1266
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:46,260
okay everybody well thanks so much for

1267
01:02:50,940 --> 01:02:48,370
joining us tonight again make sure to

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